Heaven, Re: swerving off the course of the discussion; absolutely right and it's infuriating when they do this, as can be seen by the frustration of GTTM's post... we shouldn't be surprised by this because when you look at the behaviour of the elders on the Australian RC and Mr Jackson himself, it's clear this is their tactic for 'evading' truth. The big boys are doing this, no wonder the rank and file follow their lead...
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need input: My wife is at it again...this time about the faithful and discreet slave
by goingthruthemotions inso you all know that i go with my wife to the meeting to protect the kids from the drival and pacify her.
tonight we are sitting there and she points to mathew and says something about the faithful and discreet slave and she said eplain this.
so breaking away from what i was reading in the meeting..." in search of christian freedom by franz"...i said.
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need input: My wife is at it again...this time about the faithful and discreet slave
by goingthruthemotions inso you all know that i go with my wife to the meeting to protect the kids from the drival and pacify her.
tonight we are sitting there and she points to mathew and says something about the faithful and discreet slave and she said eplain this.
so breaking away from what i was reading in the meeting..." in search of christian freedom by franz"...i said.
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The Marvster
is it just my imagination that often when glaring inconsistencies and irrefutable contradictions between what the GB teaches and what the bible indicates, is shown to a JW, and an argument flares up, the argument never seems to be over the 'subject at hand'?
But people either walk away, go tell the elders, start telling the one pointing out the inconsistency to shut up, or saying it doesn't matter, or wait on Jehovah to explain... everything but examine the argument at hand....
as far as i have seen through this forum and experienced myself with JW's commenting on my Youtube comments, the argument is never dealt with, there are just threats and insults...
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What does your baptism mean to you now?
by GiftsinMen ini was baptised on 1st sept 1990, 25years ago today.
it is still a date with deep meaning for me.
i never dedicated my life to serving any man or any organisation, this was my choice - as a grown adult - to serve my god through jesus christ.
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The Marvster
oops didn't answer the question...
to me my baptism was a lie, my own lie to myself, and to the congregation.... but also belief in a lie by the WBTS which I happened to belief... it means nothing to me now...
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What does your baptism mean to you now?
by GiftsinMen ini was baptised on 1st sept 1990, 25years ago today.
it is still a date with deep meaning for me.
i never dedicated my life to serving any man or any organisation, this was my choice - as a grown adult - to serve my god through jesus christ.
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The Marvster
When I was 14, I wanted to get baptised as my best friend was getting dunked, but I got told, 'not enough return visits'.... so it got dropped, then eventually at 21 years old and 'under pressure' from an elder I got baptised.. I was reluctant because of that age old reason, I thought I would 'sin' after dedicating my life and not be able to live the 'strict' lifestyle, I never even made a proper dedication, that's how doubtful I was.
Just 1 month after baptism, the secret sin restarted.... and I fought with it for 20 years and never won the battle.... so here I am 22 years after getting baptised and after a very long losing battle I'm out of the congregation... why didn't I listen to the gut feelings of that 21 year old?
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Acts of God & accidents
by Diogenesister inexodus 21.12 whoever strikes a person mortally shall be put to death.
if it was not premeditated, but came about by an act of god?
then i will appoint for you a place to which the killer may flee.
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The Marvster
two things came to mind...
1. god who is 'omnipresent' is there watching every accident, and 'could' prevent, but instead allows it.
or worse
2. seeing as the ACCIDENT was an ACT OF GOD, God is actually responsible, and if so, why would the person need to flee to the city of refuge when;
A) God could have prevented the accident happening, but stood by and did nothing.
B) Being an act of god, it is GOD who is responsible, perhaps God should have been running to the cities of refuge?
I heard some Apostate quoting that Isaiah scripture just yesterday, I hadn't heard it before... The Old Testament is an indictment. A loving god? This is why I ended my relationship with god approximately 4 months ago...
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The social institution of the Kingdom Hall.
by The Rebel init is a warm sunny day, blue skies and i am excited by the prospect this sunday holds.
will i dismantle a motorbike?
paint a picture?
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The Marvster
Oh, what a crazy day... this morning while hanging out clothes to dry, stood there thinking 'I'm so glad I left the 'truth'... I was so happy, it just came from nowhere... I think it's because I realised I don't need to go on field service EVER AGAIN..
then went for a bus ride and to have a full-English breakfast at the Asda supermarket.. from there moved across the square to Starbucks, got a Medium Caramel Latte, and sat reading for an hour and a half while watching all the shoppers, lazily walking around or hurrying somewhere, I just love to watch people from the window, it was one of my first hobbies as a toddler...
then took a couple of buses back home passing the low flying airplanes near the airport (I'm obsessed with airplanes), then sat down at my electric Piano and worked on some tunes for about 4 hours....
watched a few 'why I left the watchtower' videos on youtube, and now while I'm reading off this forum, have the Oscar Peterson trio Jazz concert from Brussels 1957 in the background... I had no idea the day would turn out this way...
There was a part of the day when I felt 'very lonely' and in pain, but just sat with it, without feeling something's wrong..... feeling much better now....
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Old brainwashing/blood
by rebel8 inas you probably know, this is me and you can imagine that the old brainwashing sucks for me sometimes.
i don't believe anything wts says about medical care, i don't agree, and i have seen the proof they are wrong.
i've been out for a long time.
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The Marvster
Melodramatic bastards with their cheap tactics... they always have to use outlandish examples to try to manipulate through fear,.... for F**k sake; is that how blood is collected these days, did medical organisations 'ever' collect blood that way?
how is there any similarity with a situation where a man or woman out of their love for life goes to donate blood, which is then used to save a person's life, and the situation mentioned by Tertullian?
I've never donated blood before, because I guess the indoctrination is still inside somewhere but those GB A*** holes make me wanna donate just to go against everything they said.
I think it's terrible for those little ideas to be sown into your brain, and to be still stuck there years later, even when they have no power over you, they still have control.... !£!$%%^
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Hebrew Was The First Language
by Bloody Hotdogs! inaccording to the newest watchtower:.
jehovah communicated with adam in the garden of eden, using human language.
god likely did so in an ancient form of hebrew.
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The Marvster
I guess the borg's policy of 'if anybody disagrees with the GB (aka G.O.D) disfellowship them immediately' helps to ensure that ANYTHING that is written in the botchtower is always believed and never challenged...
Credulity or total shunning by everyone in your life; take your pick.
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Hebrew Was The First Language
by Bloody Hotdogs! inaccording to the newest watchtower:.
jehovah communicated with adam in the garden of eden, using human language.
god likely did so in an ancient form of hebrew.
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The Marvster
God likely did so in an ancient form of Hebrew.
"Likely" = We have no F***ing clue what language was used,
let's just make shit up as we speculate...
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The Watchtower says: The Septuagint became God's Word
by opusdei1972 inthe last edition of the watchtower (study edition) says the following:.
alexander the great later conquered much of the ancient world, and common, or koine, greek became an international language.
so, in this verse the septuagint was not god's word according to matthew.
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The Marvster
Opusdei1972....
Here's the problem I have with this sort of thing... While being in the org I was given the impression that the 'truth' as found in the bible was correct, the bible was actually infallible and any inconsistencies could be explained away, it was god's word and there was no reason to doubt anything in it... and that's what made JW's know they had the 'truth'.. THE PROBLEM?.... I, and many other people, sacrificed big portions of a life, with the guarantee that the sacrifices we made would be rewarded at some future time, as promised in the infallible word of god.... and now as DATA-DOG pointed out:
Saying that human imperfection, via translation, became part of the inspired word of God is equal to saying the bible is not infallible.
more and more of this stuff is coming out of the woodwork and I tell you what, the anger I feel learning these things is 'all consuming', they lied to us, over and over and over and over again... but thanks for posting this, it just reinforces the hunch I had that leaving the 'truth' was the absolutely right thing to do.... Just wish I had awoken earlier..